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No, I think I kind of got out my points of view there as I was talking too much, thinking to myself, stop talking and move it over. Don’t monologue. Don’t monologue. What about it? Don’t monologue. What’s the point? Stop it.
David:
Don’t monologue. Don’t monologue. Just don’t monologue. Stop it. And it’s gay.
Gavin:
So last night we got an assignment from my kids’ class, and they’re supposed to like listen to some uh recorded book or something like that. And then it was followed up from the teacher by a note that said, and also some children may find it easier to watch the broadcast at the same time that they’re listening to it, whatever it is. I mean, I have no details on this except for the fact that my partner and I were howling as he’s like, this just like podcasts, and I know, Gavin, you’re in the podcasting world, so don’t take offense at this. I’m like, that is never a good opener to a conversation. But he’s like, it’s just radio shows. We it is 1936 again, and we’re all just listening to the radio and sitting around the radio, and it may not be FDR giving us fireside chats, but podcasting is just radio shows. And now it’s so meta that that my kids is getting an assignment that, well, they might be bored by the radio show. So let’s go ahead and turn on the TV. And uh, it just is a funny way of um life imitating art, but you don’t think it’s funny at all.
David:
Well, your point is podcasts are radio shows. Yeah. Well, what else do we say about that? You you pushed me opening the show for your big thing, and that’s what we opened with. All right, everybody. Well, if we haven’t lost our listener yet, um, thank you for staying with us. Um, okay, being a dick. But also, well, it’s also like, but it’s also you see, every podcast has a video component now. So every podcast is just a YouTube video with my right.
Gavin:
We have we have moved on. Yeah, it’s definitely not just podcasting, it’s uh video streaming, whatever.
David:
Anyway, um, I am a single dad, and by single dad I mean my husband’s out of town for two days. So uh I am not showering, I mean ramen noodles. Like it’s pure chaos at the house. Just two days. Well, here’s the thing. I was like, oh, I’m gonna be cool, dad. Like when when when one dad goes out of town, I’m gonna be cool, Dad. We’re gonna stay up later, we’re gonna eat whatever we want, right? So last night, my my my son gets uh iPad time for you know half hour, 45 minutes before we go to bed, and then we leave the last like 15 minutes to 30 minutes of to do something without an iPad. It could be reading books, it could be whatever. Well, I was like, Oh, I’m gonna be cool, dad, and I’m gonna let him play with his iPad right up until bedtime. And as soon as it’s bedtime, we just go right up to bed. Oh, yeah. How great will that be?
Gavin:
Oh no, it’s not.
David:
It won’t be. I’ve learned my lesson. It won’t be. I’ve learned my lesson because that boy went from happy, joyful four-year-old to rageful, vicious animal. Did he throw himself down on the ground? No, but he did tell me I’ll never love you again. So I was literally like, hey, let’s brush our teeth. And he’s like, I’m never gonna love. He looked me right in the eyes. I’m never gonna love you again. Wow. And of course I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, brush your teeth. But it was like an old thing. So the bathroom was such a fucking battle that I had to start taking these away. I was like, all right, no books tonight. Okay, no iPad iPad tomorrow. Like, yeah, shit was falling apart, and he just could not, and it was my fault. It was my fault. That little built-in buffer that my husband created is so smart because it’s not just like, oh, I don’t want you just rotting in front of the iPad. It’s I need a transitional moment. And so David has learned his lesson and he will never have iPad right up until then.
Gavin:
That uh makes perfect sense. Also, complete non sequitur related to iPads. I am taking my kids to the um Taylor Swift movie.
David:
Um, because you have spent more money on Taylor Swift than any dad in the world. I know, it’s embarrassing.
Gavin:
And I’m getting no gratitude or appreciation for it whatsoever, just drama. But and I thought it would be a historic experience that he would want to do. And now ultimately, and he was inviting a friend along, and then the friend poisoned his notions of it and was like, Do we really want to stand in a room of a bunch of screaming Swifties screaming to the songs that we don’t really really even care about? And I it was a strong point. Point is that kid’s dad said to me, I’m sorry to be a wet blanket, but my son would rather go without an iPad all weekend long than go to the Taylor Swift movie. Wow. Wow. I thought that was hilarious. That was good. So um I was curious about talking about how you cope with parental guilt, or just talking about how anybody copes with parental guilt. Because basically, parenting, in my view, is just one big guilt fest. I mean, you know, kids ruin everything and we scream and we don’t want to scream, but we scream. And there’s so much guilt that comes from doing the right thing, what’s the right thing, who’s saying the right thing, et cetera, et cetera. And social media is just a gasoline on top of this. But what are the things that make you feel guilty about parenting? Nothing. Okay. So how do you cope with that? Oh, never mind.
David:
You really you’re guilt-free. I feel amazing. No, of course. I feel guilt all the time. I felt guilt last night as I took his books away. I was like, oh, I’m just taking literature away from my fucking four-year-old. No, I I feel guilty all the time. I and it’s helpful that I have a husband who we are pretty aligned in our child rearing points of view. So like we’ll often talk about it. Um, I the I don’t know. The only I I don’t feel guilty, honestly, if I don’t, I don’t feel guilty often. There are two times in my life where like I wildly overreacted because I was tired and I was annoyed, and they had a a normal meltdown, and I was just like, you know, we always joke. It’s always like the beast and doing the beast when he’s having the argument with Belle at the door about coming to dinner, and find at the end she was like, Well, I’m not going. And he goes, Then starve. We joke about that all the time because I get to the then starve phase of me all the time. But as far as like guilt, usually if it’s like something big, like one time my toddler had a meltdown at the mall, and I like made him sit down to like for a timeout, but like I pressed him against the wall and I held him against the wall for the four minutes, right? Um, and I felt like fucking shit. Um, so I just had some anti-anne pretzels and I felt much better about of course.
Gavin:
Well, I can’t wait for our listener to uh message us on Instagram and remember that in on episode five, you talked about being Beauty and the Beast, which is uh a great actually story. I like revisiting that. But it is it’s crazy how we can feel guilt over absolutely anything and everything. To the degree of I just think so much about sitting on playgrounds with other parents. And basically every single time they would talk about, well, this is what I do with my kids, it just made me feel guilty that I wasn’t putting in enough time, effort, effort, effort, effort, or focus all the time. And then on social, um, there’s so many ways that we like our um our guest Cece a couple of weeks ago, she does such a great job of kind of mocking those who are the humble braggars or the people who are instilling guilt. And yet at the same time, I feel like those who are making the rest of us feel guilty are louder than those who are like, hey man, we’re all doing the best we can and nobody knows the right answer. You know?
David:
Do you do you feel like social media is more things to make you feel guilty versus Yeah, but I guess I I’m so I’m so poisoned from social media lately that I don’t take any of it seriously. Every time I see something positive, all I think is like that’s all full, that’s all fake and nobody feels that way. So, and I also am drawn to this is not a surprise because this is why we made the show, but like I’m very much drawn to the darker, more realistic, like funnier sides of things, and less the like, here’s the bar that I need you all to be on. Um, because I’ve mostly failed at every metric imaginable as a human being since I was born. So, like this parenting uh parenting poorly is is not at all like you know, whatever. But I do feel like sometimes when it’s at daycare, and I I witness another kid doing something way better than my kid. Oh, I feel guilty that my kid isn’t there. But no, I I I’m so I social media doesn’t affect me that way anymore. I’m so deadened on the inside to the the joys of social media because I know it’s fake. I know we you and I both know people who are famous, yeah, who have social media empires, and we’re like, those bitches are crazy and they just got divorced and they’re sleeping. Like, we know all of that stuff. So like I it’s hard for me to take any of that seriously. But the parenting guilt I do still feel is when I do something that I know was wrong or I overreact it or I hurt my kid somehow and I need to apologize. And my husband’s really good at that. He’ll he’ll just like, hey, I overreacted. I’m so sorry, I’m a human too, blah, blah, blah, blah. But mostly Gavin, what I’m here to tell you is that I’m pretty great as a parent and I don’t feel guilty about it.
Gavin:
So speaking of guilt, let’s go to our top three list. Gatriarchs, top three list, three, two, one. What, David, will you remind me is the top three list this week?
David:
The top three list this week is the top three worst things. Worst. What are the top three worst things? And listen, that’s a broad, that’s a broad category.
Gavin:
I’m interested to hear how you It is. But I do appreciate, I mean, because we go around saying, isn’t that just the worst? So there are so many things, so many things that are the worst.
David:
So what your worst here are my top three worst things. In number three, this is a little uh inside baseball with the arts, but cats out of the bag posts. Hey guys, cats out of the bag. Looks like I’ll be making my Broadway debut, and merrily we roll along as the male offstage swing. So excited, and they attach a playbill article. I cannot with that. Cats out of the bag post. There has never been a cats out of the bag post that was shocking. And like, how did you keep that cat in the bag? Nobody fucking cares that you’re playing Lancelot at the Rawway demo theater production of making spam a lot.
Gavin:
You have five cigarettes coming out of your mouth right now as you are so jaded and cynical.
David:
But like, have you ever seen a cat’s out of the bag post where you were like, oh, where you gasped that there was some new information that is so exciting that they had to keep under wraps because it was so important? Never one time. So number three, cats out of the bag post. Uh, number two, being wrong in front of your partner. Especially if it’s something you were kind of on your high horse about, and then you are wrong, you are wrong in front of them. So you can’t hide it, you can’t spin it later. Like if you were wrong off screen, you know what I mean? I think that’s very much the worst. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And number one, my personal worst thing. Let’s say it’s a Saturday and you’re doing laundry and you’re cleaning the house, and everything is great, and you’re having a great day, and you’re working and everything, you fold your laundry, you put it all together, everything is wonderful. You put the kids to bed, you watch your hour of uh Survivor, and you’re really tired. You’re like, I’ve got to go to bed. And you crawl upstairs, you turn on that light, and there, looking you dead in the eyes, is a bear mattress with the sheets piled, ready to be put on your bed. And you’re like, I I’m sleeping on the floor.
Gavin:
I’m just I don’t have the energy to bed just drink, or or I will just sleep on the bear mattress.
David:
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So that’s my number one worst thing. What about you, Gavin?
Gavin:
When you said bear mattress, I definitely heard B-E-A-R, and I thought, wait, huh.
David:
I mean like you’re fucking a bear and this is his bed.
Gavin:
I guess so. Yeah, okay. Okay, for me, top three. That’s just the worst. Number one, I mean, number three. Number three in order of worseness is no apology. Somebody does something shitty to you and they just can’t even have the the self-respect or the respect for you to just like say, sorry about that. And I live in Connecticut, where I swear this is an ongoing thing for my partner and I, who is very much a local here, that it just like, oh, sorry about that, doesn’t exist in the Connecticut lexicon. I swear. Maybe it’s just my own personal experience, but like there’s no like, oh, sorry. The grocery store bumping into people, sorry about that. It’s just I find that to be or even a my bad.
David:
Like a my bad kids say.
Gavin:
Yeah. My bad. Yeah. So I am uh one of those things that I’m instilling in my kids is being able to say, ooh, sorry, my bad. Number two, zits. So I have a 12-year-old who is, you know, dealing with some of that. And then sometimes I still get them. I am old. Zits sometimes not on my face.
David:
And they’re all the worst. Yeah, that was really disgusting. That little that little qualification gave in. But also the fact that this is this is a life travesty that people have pretended that zits are for tweens and teens. Or for people who don’t know. They last forever. Yeah. Yeah. They last forever.
Gavin:
Forever. So I find them the worst number two. And number one for me, swamp ass. Specifically when it actually seeps through your pants. Oh, my God. And you have to walk around thinking, oh my God, is somebody I don’t, I do not wear khaki pants. Sweat or shit. I never, I never wear khaki pants. Ever. Just on the off chance that I might sit in water and somebody will accuse me of it being Swamp Pass, because God forbid. So never, ever, ever. Uh yeah, it’s because Swamp Pass is the absolute worst. Yes. All right.
David:
What’s next week?
Gavin:
Next week, I want to hear about your three uh dad hacks that were total failures. You thought I got this, and then you failed at it. So today’s guest is a true indulgence for nerds and wannabe nerds and not at all nerds, but just red-blooded American patriots who love the all-time greatest franchise of all time, Star Wars. Uh he dreamed of making Star Wars movies when he was a kid, and unlike the rest of us all who failed at all of our dreams, he actually did it. Please welcome Hollywood producer and gay father, Jason McGatlin. Thank you, Jason.
David:
Thank you. Thank you, guys. I don’t like being introduced as a dream failure, Gavin. I don’t know why you might need to reframe that. I’m a big deal. I make hundred of dollars on TV. Do you understand that? That’s a lot of money.
Gavin:
David, this is not the time for you to be submitting your latest script to Jason. He’s already got projects. I’m just done. Sorry.
David:
I write dick jokes only. That’s it. Sorry. Nothing more to offer you.
SPEAKER_02:
Hard to get those into Star Wars. Really hard. Yeah.
Gavin:
Oh, I’m sure somebody has tried, though. Somebody at some point. There’s got to be like, oh, how many subliminal messages have you ever stumbled across in Star Wars?
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah, it’s it’s always funny because the directors always happen to mention things after the fact. You’re like, okay. Uh yeah. And it’s usually in the old days in the models, if you really look at the models close, they used all sorts of shit in the models. Like literally all the time. Because the model shop used like, fuck them, we’re going to do this. And so we would and we would, when I first started, we used to go up to the thing and they would point it out to you, like this, you know, on the I’m not sure you’ve seen this one, but when they built the Close Encounter ship, they glued a R2D2 figurine to the bottom of the ship, painted in silver. And so you can literally see it sitting on the ship. So it’s pretty much amazing.
Gavin:
In which movie is that?
SPEAKER_02:
That was in Close Encounters. So that they were Star Wars and Close Encounters were working side by side. So the Star Wars guys glued a and painted it silver, and no one ever caught it. But you can literally watch the movie, you can see an upside-down R2D2 on the bottom of the ship rotating around. That’s incredible.
David:
I gotta imagine part of your job, I I when I think about this is like making sure all these departments, like art department, isn’t trying to sneak in dicks everywhere. Because if I was on the art department, I would be doing the exact same thing. This little mermaid, you know, castle thing. Yes. But like you kind of have to be like, hey, everybody, can we just reduce the amount of bullshit that I’m gonna have to find later and edit out?
SPEAKER_02:
So I will say something. This is what I found funny. So my husband uh used to work at Disney and Disney animations back in the day when they used to make all these movies, right? And we we lived in Hollywood at the time, and he would come home at night, and I would used to say to him, like, if they just knew how many queer people were making their movies, I swear to God, people would melt down because it is like a fairy show behind the scenes, and everybody just like, but Disney’s like, no, no, it’s a bunch of families. I’m like, no, no, it’s a bunch of fairies that are running around.
David:
It’s so true.
Gavin:
It’s actually amazing that there weren’t more subliminal dick jokes all over the place, or maybe they weren’t so subliminal, we just haven’t noticed them, but still, yeah, that’s uh that’s amazing. So I I do want to ask, objectively, and for reels, which is the best Star Wars movie?
SPEAKER_02:
Okay. Can I give you two answers? I’ll tell you why. Because there’s there’s all of Star Wars, and so The Empire Strikes Back has always been my favorite movie. It’s one of the movies where I remember. That’s the correct answer. That’s the correct answer. It’s one of the movies where the the moment from walking in the theater, the seat I sat in, the popcorn I ate, what I did afterward, like is ingrained in my head, like it was an experience that’s just like literally, I saw it in Texas, and I just remember going into it was hot summer, going into the theater where it was freezing cold because they turned the air cleaning up so high, and then watching Hoff and all that stuff, and then walking out, walking straight to Kmart and making my grandmother buy me an action figure, like that moment. I need this right now. And so that was that clearly impressioned me for a long time, even though I did love Star Wars, the original uh episode four. That one just had something, the storytelling was just super clear. Yeah. Um, my favorite one that I’ve done is Rogue One, and I think that was because it was so different than all the other Star Wars. And there’s a whole, and I won’t go into this, you know, that whole movie was kind of put together by a friend of mine, Kerry Hart, myself, because Kathy had asked us to find um, she’s called it a District 9 version Star Wars, and it was meant to be like this small little intimate Star Wars story. So when I was flying to London when we were shooting um The Force Awakens, I saw on the plane this movie called Monsters, which was directed by this guy named Gareth Edwards. And it was a small little movie where he did all the visual effects shots himself, and I called my friend Kieran, like, we need to meet this guy. And by chance he was shooting this movie, Godzilla. And so I went out and met him, and we were like, Okay, what do you want to do? And John Noel, who is our visual effects supervisor, had written this one-page idea he wanted to do about this guy stealing the things, and he gave it to me and he said, Do you think this would ever make a movie? And so Kiery and I took that piece of paper to Gareth and said, Would you ever be interested in trying to figure out how to do this? And he was like, Oh my god, he’s a huge Star Wars fan. Oh my god, I gotta do this, I gotta do this. So that I I have such a strong connection to the the thread of that entire project from start to finish and just how it got made. So that’s my I personally just because I love I mean the back end is a whole different story, but the front end of the movie was it was really exciting for me to do.
David:
I think that’s what’s interesting. What you say about Empire Strikes Back and your experience uh as a child kind of going in and the popcorn and the smell of the theater. That’s that’s an that’s a point I make constantly, is that uh film has uh part of your film experience is beyond the film, right? And and so you know, all these VOD and stuff like that, it’s it’s fine. It and it’s it works, but you’re missing an element there that kind of has that nostalgia and stuff. And so I’m always a big believer in kind of like film and and theater have a lot more to do with each other and can help each other a lot more. But that that is you just said like that is part of your experience. You didn’t mention anything about the shots or whatever. Now the story was great, right? That was a great, that was a great movie, but a lot of that was the Kind of experience of going to the theater and the excitement and all of that stuff and buying the action figure. So I think including a lot of that stuff is so much more helpful to making these movies more successful because it becomes an experience and not just like, oh yeah, I think I saw that on the plane once.
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah, yeah. So I have a 13-year-old daughter, right? So for me, trying to drive the experience of the theatral experience, because right now, I mean, she her teen years were basically spent in front of TV because it’s COVID. We just watched all the movies on TV. So for her, I took to the opening night of Barbie. We were, you know, I dressed up in pink. She dressed up in pink. We went to Budfrix. We had a and you know, it was such an experience. She’ll never forget it because it was such an experience. And then we did the same thing for the Taylor Swift concert. We made friendship bracelets, we went to a therapist. And I I just said, do whatever makes you happy. Because I’m like, these are the things that are gonna click in her about why theater is so important, because if the experience is not like I’m sitting in my living room.
SPEAKER_03:
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
And I wish we could do that. I mean, on opening night of Star Wars, you do get that because you get the people who dress up and do that sort of stuff. So but it’s it is those moments where people really they need to convert the theatrical experience into being much more than just you know, sit, sit, watch, go, right?
Gavin:
Absolutely. You know, you know what? So obviously we could ask you nine million questions about uh Star Wars, and we will ask at least seven million more, but also we are really focused on parenting and gay parenting. And so I’m curious a little bit about um what’s your your family makeup? You have a 13-year-old daughter and a husband who is still also in the industry as well.
SPEAKER_02:
Um or no Patrick’s my husband’s thing. We um about 16 years ago, we had this kind of midlife crisis, and it was kind of like we wanted to get married. This is before you could get married in the States. We wanted to get married, we wanted to have a kid, we kind of like this was not working for us, the industry wasn’t working. So we both quit and we moved to Vancouver, Canada, because we could get married in Canada. So we moved to Canada. I was gonna open a pie shop. Patrick went back to school to become an urban.
David:
How cute.
SPEAKER_02:
I love pie. Uh he was gonna he went back to college to become an urban planner, and strange, weird thing happened. Uh, Kathy Kennedy called me out of the blue and asked if I would produce this movie called Tin Tin. And I’m like, I’ve never produced a movie before, and I’m like, what are you talking about? I don’t even know you. Like, why are you calling me? And anyways, it all and then I I fell back in, and it’s like it’s a mafia, you can’t get out and you start back into it again. But um no, uh we moved to Canada, and you know, we wanted to have a kid, and I remember asking my mom, like, we wanted to have a kid, and my mom said, You can’t take care of a dog, how are you gonna take care of a kid? Oh, we were shady some shady shit. Okay, mom. It’s super weird because we the next week we went and got a dog, and we’re like, we’re gonna show her. And so that poor dog was so baby. I mean, oh my god, that dog was like, please tell me you didn’t have a stroller.
David:
Please tell me you didn’t have a stuff.
SPEAKER_02:
Uh we didn’t have a stroller, but we that dog was like for you know, the seven years before Laurel was like that dog was a thing, like it was everywhere. And I would take pictures and send it to my mom. I don’t think she quite comprehended her comment and the dog. She never put them two together. But in my mind, it was like, I can take care of a fucking dog.
David:
I can do it. How dare you? I’m gonna spend seven years of my life proving you wrong.
SPEAKER_02:
I’m combing her hair every morning, for God’s sake. And she could care less. At the end of the day, she could care less. Right.
Gavin:
That’s and now you I know uh full disclaimer, um, Jason and I went to the same high school, though I am much older than he is, and you have several brothers, right? And then my understanding is Patrick is also from a family of boys, right? So, and you guys have a girl. I mean, the grandparents must have gone, first of all, ape shit over that, but what’s that like?
SPEAKER_02:
Well, let me give you one of the gay things to talk about, which is always funny. So I’m an identical twin and my brother’s straight, and I’m gay. So it’s always been one of those things where if my parents were like totally identical. No, I don’t understand. And then I have two younger brothers, and Patrick has uh two younger brothers, and so all our brothers all have girls. It’s super weird. All boys, all girls. So we all have girls, and you know, Patrick and I are the two that just don’t happen to have any sort of like we live in San Francisco, so we don’t have any of our families back in Denver and New York, so we have no family structure on here. So us raising a girl has literally been internet books, just like what calling friends, like, uh, this is happening today, what do I do? Like, because we didn’t have any experience in the girl world at all.
David:
Me neither. I have a little girl and I literally sent her to daycare today with the most atrocious hair. I had no idea what I was doing. I was like yanking hairs, like, I don’t know what I’m doing. I’m sorry, just go that they’ll fix it at daycare.
SPEAKER_02:
I’m sorry. Hair care, I have to tell you, hair care. It gets only worse, right? Oh man. And now Patrick and I are constantly like, should she go like that? Maybe let me just kind of kind of she screams at it’s like maybe I just kind of did this.
Gavin:
I will say, back in my days of blogging, um, there was I remember there was one YouTube account, and I’m sure there’s many of them, of a single dad, I believe he was just divorced, but he um would make YouTube hair tutorials for dads to be able to do their daughter’s hair, and it was really intricate. And I thought, what a great element of modern society, thank goodness, because we do need those tutorials for sure. I watched a bunch of them and I became a French braider because I need that.
SPEAKER_02:
I need that. Laurel plays on a competitive volleyball team, so before every tournament, we they have to put their hair up, right? And all these other moms, like in two minutes, do this like crazy French braid, double French braid, blah, blah, blah. And I literally, like, it’s a ponytail.
David:
I saw an amazing TikTok the other day, and it was a dad, and he had a vacuum hose, and he put like a berette or what’s our or a hair tie, like a scrunchie on the end of it, and then he stuck the daughter’s hair up into it, and then just let the bird let it roll it right down, and it was fucking perfect. Although, if I if I went to my one and a half year old with a vacuum to her head, she’s on the volleyball court with a vacuum, I’m sure people were like, what the fuck? Like this is why this is why gays shouldn’t have children.
Gavin:
This is why so then also speaking of your daughter, has she um ever been, you know, a background or uh a bit part in any of your movies by chance?
SPEAKER_02:
You know what, she’s never been a background actor. Uh, the one time I took her to set was on Rogue One, and I it was literally we were going to London for vacation uh while we were shooting, and so I’d like to come to work with me for the day. So I brought her a set, I set her in the director’s chair, because a friend of mine, and put Ted sits on there, and I did not realize that it was the day that Darth Vader was his first day on set, right? So nice. She’s sitting there with the headphones on watching the screen, and I’m sitting there with the director, and Darth Vader walks behind her and taps her on the shoulder, and she was probably six or seven. Oh she didn’t know what to do, and she just stared and froze and she looked at me. And then he walked off onto the set and stood up on the uh Star Destroyer, and she was like, I don’t know what just happened. And I said, Well, he’s an actor. She goes, but he looks just anyways. It was just that was the one moment I’m like, oh yeah, you know. And she’ll remember that forever, right? Yeah.
Gavin:
Oh, yeah. Hopefully, not one of the many reasons you’ll send her into therapy, but she might have to like you’ll send her to therapy for a lot of other reasons, but maybe just not that one.
SPEAKER_02:
So I produced this anime movie that uh your kids would love. No one else watched it because crap, but uh called Strange Magic, um, which I did a long time ago.
Gavin:
No didn’t.
SPEAKER_02:
And um when I showed it to Laura, the first cut to Laurel, um she had a lot of comments. And so I was writing her comments down if she’d watched it. Anyways, she ended up um dictating a line in the movie that we actually used. I remember writing the line down and taking it in to her, and uh it changed the whole scene for us. And I can’t remember what the word uh line is, but it was funny because I was you know relying on a six-year-old to tell me dialogue for a movie at that point in time.
David:
So I have worked in television my the majority of my adult life, but I still don’t know, and I think a lot of our listeners don’t know, so maybe you can answer this to me. What does a producer do? What does a producer do?
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah, okay. So uh it’s a tough question, and I uh because there’s some that do nothing. No.
David:
So there’s I’ve met those, I worked for those.
SPEAKER_02:
I’ll break it down in a couple ways because there’s film producers. I won’t get into Broadway producers because I I don’t do that, but I can tell you film and TV, and they’re two different they’re two different pathways. So in film, the capital P producer, we call it, is the person who actually works with the director and the writer to create the creative content of the project, right? So they’re the ones that that sit down, they pull out this project and they take it to a studio and like we want to make this. Then the executive producer is then hired saying, Go make this, figure out how you actually hire the crew, where we’re gonna shoot it, what’s the cast look like? So so my job is basically taking a physical so at Star Wars, Kathy Kennedy would come up with a director in a project and she’d go, Here, this is what we want to do, give it to me, and then I would go hire the crew, set it up, figure out all the things, and then put the whole thing in, you know, budget it, plan it out, schedule it, and then run it through the entire production process. So um at Lucasfilm, I was the head of production, which basically means all the post-production, visual effects, uh, creature shop, costume, they all reported to me. Um so I ran all the various and from um film, TV, and animation, I ran all three divisions. Um so in TV you flip it. In TV, because they use writers as the key creators versus just the the and they’re also the producers, they’re called executive producers. So you flip the dynamic with the executive producers now on top, and they they are the people who run the show. The producer is then the physical producer, the person who physically makes the show. Um so and then you get stuff like associate producers, which are basically assistants usually, or they’ve been with the director for a long time, and they have all sorts of intermediate pieces, but those are the two main positions that are kind of run in uh in the in the industry right now.
David:
So you’re like the daddy of Lucasfilm. Well, I was when it worked.
SPEAKER_02:
Yes, I used to be, yes. Got it.
Gavin:
Okay, and the Zaddy. I would also add I would also add to this that in um to for your knowledge, Jason, um for Broadway producers, it’s the people who give money and want to stand on stage for the Tonies. Correct.
David:
Uh I was just when you said I uh the theater’s different, I was like, yeah, theater producers are like this. Give us money, please. And that’s the thoughts. And I want to be on the stage for the Tonies. And I want my name in lights.
Gavin:
So did you did you always want to be the z head zaddy of uh Lucasfilm? Did you uh l live your entire life thinking I want to be on in Star Wars?
SPEAKER_02:
I yes. Uh so when I you know, I saw the episode four, Star Wars, New Hope, when I was seven years old. It was my very first, I mean it’s so cliche to say this, I know it sounds horrible. I saw it when I was seven years old. It was the first movie my parents took us to. Again, I remember the experience, the theater was sold out, my mom sat me and my twin brother in the front row because it was the only seats that we could have together. And you know, at seven years old, being that close to like the thing coming over your head, and like it was I I I remember walking out of there shaking because I was like, I don’t know what I saw, I don’t know what this is, and I knew at that moment, like, I this is what I have to do. And so and the same thing for Troy. Three of my brothers are all in the film business. One of them is a football coach, three of the film business. So um, we knew at that moment, like, we had to get in the film. So, and Star Wars was our thing, and so we got uh paper route so we could buy a camera, we would buy all the accent figures, and we would make little movies, and so we started making movies probably when we were in third grade, um, just making various little shorts, and we did that all the way through junior high and high school. Um, and Star Wars was like the dream job, like we wanted to do Star Wars. We all wanted to do Star Wars, and um I ended up both of us ended up going to school in Montana, which is not a film school or anything, and it’s long that’s a much longer story while I ended up in Montana. But a lot of guns. Uh they ended up going to uh school there, but um and there’s a whole story there, but the gist of it is is that uh after I produced Tintin with with Kathy and Steven Spielberg, um uh Kathy got offered the head job at Lucasfilm. And at that time, I we were living in New Zealand. I moved to New Zealand to produce Tintin. So I was No kidding. I yeah, we bought a house down there, we were all set up. Patrick was working for the government. Were you gonna stay? So I was supposed to make three Tintin movies back to back. Wow. Uh so we we bought a house and just like let’s move. We went down there. Um, Kathy called and said, Hey, this is gonna come out with trace today, but I’ve been offered the presidency of Lucasfilm. And would you be interested in coming and working with me? And I didn’t know what to say. I was like, fuck yeah.
Gavin:
Yeah, cats out of the bag.
David:
I’m definitely moving to LA. Or also, but also three three 10 tens is too many. That’s 1010, 10, 10, 10, 10. That’s too many 10 tens. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
Uh so we uh yeah, I moved to to Lucasfilm and and started started working there uh in 2012. Uh now wait a minute.
Gavin:
Also, didn’t you say that your daughter was born during Tintin?
SPEAKER_02:
So my daughter was born while I was producing Tintin. So we we the movie took. So she was born, we were so she was born through a Sarrogacy. So um that was that’s we did that while we were in LA. And that whole process, I mean, I I always say to my brother, you got drunk and fucked your wife and you had a kid. I spent four years in court. That that whole roller coaster of when we decided that we wanted to do this to like the how do we do this, where do we go? There wasn’t, and at that time there wasn’t a lot of resources and there wasn’t a lot of people doing it. So it was like it was like I literally got on the phone and just calls these seriously companies, like, hi, we’re a gay couple, will you help us? And some would say, sure, and some would say, Yeah, for$100,000. I’m like, What? So ran around. So for it took two years before we found a service out of San Diego, which was great because it was uh this woman who set up the service that dealt with military wives. So all their husbands were off in Afghanistan and they were trying to figure out how to make money. So they’re like, Yeah, well, we’ll wait kids for yeah, exactly. So they get to stay home and raise their kids, and also so uh we reached out to her, and and when I first got on the phone with her and kind of told her our story, she’s like, absolutely, she was so positive, she was so super positive, like, yes, we can do this, yes, yes. And um, we spent two years with her going around, and they would you you know, to do this, you have to go meet these surrogates and stuff, and and the surrogacy laws of that time were super strict. There were like three states you could, it was like Vermont, yep, Colorado, and California. Yep. So they would they would find a surrogate that we’d be interested in, we’d have to go meet that surrogate. So we fly out there, and usually it was not the person you dreamed of. Like, you’re like, meet me in my trailer park. You’re like, what? Okay, and you go and you’re like, okay, this I just I don’t know if this is the right place for us. So we kept just kind of falling out, falling out, and so we had given up. I we took a year off. I called her back again and said, just I’m just gonna try it one more time before I have to go to New Zealand. I’ve got a New Zealand in 18 months, so just can we see what we have? And so she sent us five. Uh and they don’t send you pictures, they just send you like a number and like a description of the surrogate. So we went through the five and we’re like, well, only one of them makes sense to us. So I called and like, only this one makes sense. And I guess we’ll do an interview. She goes, Well, I got bad news for you. And I said, What’s that? She goes, You picked me. Oh and I said, She said, I said, What? She said, Yeah, so I can’t be your coordinator anymore if you want to do this. And we had been four years talking to this woman every day. Like, but you you didn’t know what she looked like. Never met her.
David:
I mean, literally, it kind of sounds like a rom-com where like the whole movie they’re like dancing around, and then he was like, I’ve been here the whole time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
So we were like, oh, okay. And both Patrick and I was it was just made sense. Like we we both had spent so much time with her. We didn’t care what she looked like, we just knew her as a person at that point.
David:
Like, yes, this makes sense there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
There was trust. So we, you know, when you make that decision, then you start the legal process, and you go through the contracts, you go to court, you have to go meet the family. Like, literally, like, was like, hi, this is my husband. Hi, you know, and we did a traditional surrogacy, which means she is the egg and the mother, so we do the whole thing. So basically, the way it worked for us is like, you know, when she was ovulating, we’d get a phone call, come down, and we’d have to both of us would go into bathrooms and jack off for her. Why the family’s watching TV in the living room? Like, we were the husband’s there, and everybody’s they’re all watching TV and not awkward, so stressful. Probably not everybody.
David:
Everybody knows what everybody’s doing at that moment. Everybody is well aware of what’s happening. And your performance anxiety, you’re just thinking this is like the kids are running around past the bathroom door.
SPEAKER_02:
I’m like, they’re gonna burst in on me. I’m like, it’s so fucking stressful. Can you guys quiet down? I can’t hear the bell of me. I can’t hear the bell of me if you keep you. I’m like, I’m like, oh my god. So and we had it, we actually uh it took us the five times we had to do that. Five times we drove down her house in San Diego. Hi, we’re here again. You know, we but the fifth time we were so like everybody was so like over it, like, oh my god, not this good. This is hilarious. And she got she got pregnant, and so that was super exciting. It was also, you know, became super stressful because I was hoping to be five months earlier versus five months later. So we were in the midst of shooting Tintin at that time. And it’s a motion capture. So no, this was in we shot it in LA because Steven shot the the motion capture part of it. We did all the capture work in LA. And then when we finished, she got pregnant while we were shooting. When we finished at that time, I actually lived in Vancouver still, so I would fly down Monday through Friday and work in LA and fly back home. Um she she got uh pregnant, and so Laurel was supposed to be born like in January. She called me on December 1st, like, she’s coming now. So we panicked, got in the car and drove down to LA, and then uh she didn’t have her until the 28th. So we sat in away for four weeks, like waiting and waiting. But uh, I was still producing that whole time. So and we wanted to be involved parents, so instead of like just like and my parents around, so uh Patrick and I took turns. We we rent this little house down in a little beach town, and I would work during the day, and Patrick would take care of her. And I would stay the night with her. Like, I was just a total wreck because I was up close to the nights with her and you know, trying to and we didn’t know not easy. We hadn’t we stupidly didn’t take any classes about like how to change a baby or you know, like day day one when she came home from the hospital, we uh we took her out to a restaurant to have dinner. We’re like, let’s go have dinner. Like carrying her, like, you know Sure, why not? Why not? Why not?
David:
She’ll have the steak, medium rare and yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
We we read something that babies like loud noises, so I remember taking her to bars, not smoking bars, but just really loud bars, and we’re like, oh, she’ll be fine at a bar, she’ll just hang out.
Gavin:
Which she probably was.
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah, until uh week two when uh Patrick’s mom showed up and was horrified about the things we were doing. Like, what?
David:
That’s one of my favorite lines from Sweet Home Alabama is like you have a baby and a bar.
Gavin:
Um I mean, you weren’t exactly taking her to gay bars at three in the morning to help her speak.
David:
She was at the eagle at like two in the morning on a Sunday.
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah, exactly. Wamp, womp, yeah, yeah.
David:
Nobody knows what they’re doing. Nobody, no, none of us knew. I I I we we I did two surrogaces, and and both times I had a couple days in the hospital, and the nurses were super, super helpful with that stuff. But I also, the second we walked, I will never forget the automatic doors of the hospital opening. And I remember for the first time in days going outside. And I remember thinking, they’re just letting me leave the hospital with this baby. I kept waiting for somebody to meet me and be like, okay, I’m gonna show you how. And I was like, oh no, that’s me. I’m now in charge and I don’t know what I’m doing. And oh my God, somebody should put a stop to this. Yep.
SPEAKER_02:
I mean, you probably relate to this story. Driving home from the hospital to the house. I’ve never been so stressed in a car with a kid in my entire fucking life. We were both driving so slow and shaky the entire time. Like, oh my god, this is we’ve got to be super strict on this thing. So, yeah.
David:
Yeah, you’re like you had a couple beers to calm yourself down. Yeah, just so like a shot before you got in the car.
Gavin:
But also, I love to be able to one of my very favorite bits of unsolicited advice I got before becoming a dad was a woman, I was backstage at a show in the middle of a quick change, freaking out doctors. Her that, like, what if I don’t know if they’re what if I don’t recognize that there’s a fever? What if I don’t realize she has a baby uh diaper rash? What if she da da da da da da and she just reached out to me and held my arm and she said, You’ll know. And I love being able to just convey that we all do have the instincts for this. I mean, even had you not had your dog as training wheels, you would have figured it out because you’re a smart person who can just figure it out.
David:
It is weird that you keep trying to feed your daughter Kibble.
Gavin:
I think that’s a little weird, but I think I’m making her sit before she eats, but that’s cool.
SPEAKER_02:
We all have our own subjects. I will tell you the thing that I thought most interesting to us. So, you know, again, two dads, and we were at, you know, at nine months we moved to New Zealand. We took her and moved to New Zealand. And so that’s an overnight plane flight, you know, and we spent nine months raising her and taking care of her. We got on a plane, and you know, ear pressure, she was really not doing well, so she was crying. So I took her to the back back of the plane. It was kind of every mom on that plane felt sorry for me, like, oh, your mother’s not here. Let me take her. And I literally was at the point of like, I got this. I got, I mean, it was a line of women trying to teach me how to do it. And I was like, okay, it’s super weird. Like, I a man can’t take care of a baby. I’m like, you gotta be choked with me, right?
David:
We talk about it all the time on. We talked about it last week with uh with Joe Dabrowski, who’s not a dad yet, but we were saying, like, trust us, the first thing you’re gonna hear from a re when a random woman walks up to you on the street, the first words out of her mouth will be, Where’s the mom? or Oh, it’s dad’s day off. Yeah, exactly.
Gavin:
That’s not gonna change for decades, I wouldn’t think, either.
David:
And it’s that’s based in patriarchy, too. That’s true.
Gavin:
Well, so I am curious also, um, will it does your daughter have interest in staying in the business, or what are her interests now?
SPEAKER_02:
Um it’s well, she’s interested in volleyball. So I’m now a volleyball dad, which she plays competitive volleyball, which is like overwhelming the amount of time that we spend in a volleyball gym or traveling with volleyball right now. So she loves that. Um, she’s actually a really good writer. She she wrote uh when she was nine, she asked if she could make money. And I said, Well, how are you gonna make money? She goes, Well, can I get a job? I’m like, You can’t get a job. She goes, Well, how can I make money? I said, What do you want to do? She can she said, Can I write a book? I said, You want to, sure. So, you know, who cares? Whatever we’re gonna write a book. Well, she wrote a book and she figured out to self-publish it on Amazon. Oh, wow. She got it published. And we never even read it. The the first time I knew that the book existed was a Jewish studies professor from um UC Berkeley called us and wanted to talk to her. I’m like, why? And he’s like, Well, we just read her book, and I’m really impressed with the book. And I said, What? So he talked to her, and then Patrick and I had to order it off Amazon because we didn’t have a copy. So we ordered a copy of it, and I tell you, I uh I I’ve never been flabbergasted before because when you think of a nine-year-old writing a book, you’re thinking of a nine-year-old like drag- I really like dragons and fairies, and blah, blah. She wrote a book about the Russian Holocaust and um how uh a little girl, 13-year-old girl, who has to escape her family to get to America to save her life. It’s like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, who writes this shit?
Gavin:
Where did she have a Pulitzer? You’re like, where did you get the Pulitzer from? Where did she get this inspiration? Are you just a Holocaust heavy family?
SPEAKER_02:
No, so she read the diary of Anne Frank and then just started doing her own research and then just decided she wanted to write this book. And so I I and this one of the books, I would even say this to even the ending is profound where we were like finished, and I finished the book and we looked at her like, what the fuck? Like, that’s super fucking weird. Like, who writes this? I can’t write like that. She’s fine. So we we both really would like her to be a uh an author because she her short every time she writes, I’m like, I’m just gonna write a short story, and she was she’s writing a short story for a Halloween, and she she’s it’s like it’s a horror story, and she pitches it to me and this whole thing about this kid who has this monster that constantly and the monster is is anxiety, and it is the reveal at the end, this whole thing. I’m like, nobody’s wrong about anxiety is monsters at 13, for God’s sakes. Why are you doing that?
David:
I’m like, Isn’t it so great when your kids come up with something that is that is in no way because you told them to do it or you asked them to do it? It was totally uniquely from them, and you’re like, oh my god, they’re becoming an independent person.
Gavin:
Also, per our earlier conversation before Jason came on, David, is guilt as a parent. And I’m like, wow, my child is not doing things like this. And that makes me, I’m like, what guilt And that’s a direct reflection of your parenting, Gavin.
David:
Your terrible parenting.
Gavin:
Because it all comes back to me. And speaking of me, please can you tell us anything to further my slash our infatuation with the zaddiest of zaddies, Pedro Pescara? Just tell me anything.
David:
And you don’t have to tell us a bunch, just tell us, like cut or uncut. That’s like all that’s all I need to know.
SPEAKER_02:
I think it’s really funny is that uh I went to go see um uh The Creator, which is is a super beautiful movie to see if you want to see it. I don’t know if the story’s great, but my friend Garrett’s director, so I want to go see it. And I took, I decided to take two of Laurel’s friends’ dads. I’m like, okay, this will be a dad Bondy moment to go there. Both super straight guys, both tech dudes, sitting in the in the thing, and there’s a trailer for some Pedro Pascal movie. I don’t know what it is, and the guy, the dance left movie, leans over to me and the other dad and goes, Man, he’s fucking hot. And I I looked at him and I thought, I didn’t know what to say. I was like, what? That’s true, but I just didn’t expect it to come from a straight guy. And I was like, I guess he’s uh he’s uh he’s kind of taken over on the whole thing. So I don’t know much. I mean, I have to be honest with you, I’ll tell you uh a tiny little secret. So Pedro was barely in season one meeting, you know. We we he was working on other projects, so we when we cast him, we actually only had him for three days. Uh he came in and did a bunch of voice work. There was a person under the mask who did all of them, and then we had one day where he took the mask off in the final scene, you know, and and he’s he’s revealed. So he shows up on set for that one day. We’re literally all prepared to shoot his one day of actual footage. He walks out of the makeup trader with his script pages, not looking, walks into a two by four, slices his head wide open. His wife’s a plastic surgeon, tells him to get in the car, go straight to the hospital. They rush him to the hospital. He’s getting he’s so if you look at him, you can actually see he’s got it. Looks like he’s he does. He actually has a cut because he literally walked into the door and we only had six hours to shoot the whole scene.
David:
And I was like, oh my god, I will say that is a cute paycheck to workday ratio. No cute ratio. I enjoy that.
Gavin:
I don’t know why that it never occurred to me that he was not the body as well. But he Oh wow. Yeah.
David:
I I’m so fascinated by, and we don’t we I we’re running out of time, so we can’t go too deep into this, but like the the entire like the stagecraft volume that you and John and everybody created to shoot this show that is becoming kind of a standard practice. Can you talk us a little bit through how that show was shot and what the stagecrafts and the volume is?
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah, let me okay. This I’m gonna try to make a short story of a of a complicated issue, so I’ll try this quick. So this actually all goes back to Tintin. So when I was producing the movie Tintin, um Stephen and Peter wanted to make a video game out of the digital assets that we had done before Weta. So I contacted Ubisoft and said, Hey, can you take our assets and make a game? And they said, You can’t. We don’t share video games and movies don’t share these digital assets across media. So when I started at Lucasfilm, I remember asking the CTO, why can’t video games and movies share these digital assets? And they’re like, well, you you could if you worked in a game engine. I don’t know if you guys know what a game engine is, but video games are rendered in real time so that you can play it on your screen. Whereas movies go through a Maya pipeline, which means you’ve rendered aspect. So you don’t actually see what you’re doing until after, way, way after. So we came with this concept of trying to make a movie, TV show, and video game simultaneously, utilizing a game engine as the driver for it. And at that time, there was a video game called 1313 that Lucas Film had shut down. And it had built all the digital assets for it. So we decided we were gonna shoot these, uh, turn this into a movie about Boba Fett. It was gonna be a movie about Boba Fett, and it was gonna be a movie or a TV series, and it was also gonna be a video game, and we were gonna do it simultaneously. We hired a director, we got the whole thing going, and there was one point in the thing, a la, like I just told you, where Boba Fett takes his helmet off and reveals a human. Well, everything was high-end animated, like, right? And after doing Tintin, I said to the guys, like, I got so much pushback on what Tintin looked like in the uncanny valley, but we that if when the helmet comes off, it has to be a real human. Like, it can’t be a digital human or the the thing will fail. And they’re like, Oh, we’ll shoot it against green screen. I’m like, everybody knows how green screen works. You you see the green spill, you understand what it’s like. Can’t be green screen. So I need you guys to figure out a different way to do this. Two shots. Two shots, right? So we were shooting rogue. I was on the set with this DP named Greg Frazier, and I said to Greg, I’m I’ve tasked all these technical people how to solve this problem. And he goes, shoot them in front of an LED screen. And I said, What do you mean? He’s like, just set up an LED screen and shoot him on the shot. And I said, That’s not gonna work. He says, Give me a million dollars and I’ll prove it to you. So I did. I’m like, here’s go go figure it out. So he did all he built this 12 by 12 screen, and he shot a bunch of footage here in San Francisco uh on the back line, and then he would stand stormtroopers in front of it and walk them around. So we were like, and so he brought it back to the Lucasfilm and we watched it, and you couldn’t tell the difference between stormtroopers that were really standing a set and stormtroopers standing in front of this wall. And so we showed it to Kathy, and she thought it was great, but she said no one’s asking for this. So uh and by the way, she had fired the director, we fired a lot of director, she had fired the director, the project fell apart, and now we had this technology that had nowhere to go. So she’s like, if somebody ever asks for this, we’ll we’ll pull it back out. So that was literally like 2015. Years go by, years and years go by. John Favreau comes in and pitches this concept on the Mandalorian, but he wants to do it like the jungle book. I don’t know if you know the jungle book. It was basically all shot on a green screen and they digitized the work. So he comes and he pitches this whole concept. I want to do this thing, and I was I called Greg, my buddy Greg Frazier and our CTO librarian, I said, guys, the thing that we figured out years and years ago, it’s this, it it’s he needs to see this. So the guys did this big presentation, same thing. Nobody believed it, no one thought it was gonna work. Give him another million dollars, like, let’s prove it, build a mini version of it, and let’s try to shoot it. So we did. And I remember the amount of stress that this whole thing was gonna fail, like, was gonna work. All the Disney execs, all the execs were on the stage for this test, and we we did the test, and it was um, you know, a another Boba Fett character in a in a real world environment, and we shot it. And I I remember when they turned the volume on and the camera came on, literally, you heard gasp. People were like, Whoa! I mean, it was so stunning, and it was that moment they’re like, Go! And and and that starts the rest of the start.
SPEAKER_03:
So that was the first yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
So it was all it I always say to people, it wasn’t what you think it was, it was actually trying to solve another problem that it just happened to be down the pathway, it ended up being that issue.
David:
And those Disney execs were so used to like moc and green screen and all that kind of look, and then all of a sudden there was this new thing. And I think that speaks to why I think the heart of the Star Wars Enterprise, and I think you all have figured this out, which was the idea of maintaining some sort of practicality in the way you shoot it, because when you did those full virtual movies, they just they just kind of were empty, right? There was, and then when you kind of combine, when you w hearken back to no, we’re gonna have some sort of practical effects in front of this stuff, all of a sudden the movie came alive again. And and I’m just that that that technology is so fascinating to me. I love it.
Gavin:
This was fantastic. Jason, thank you so much for um uh just sharing all of this knowledge. And I would love to do parts two, three. Let’s make this, in fact, a trilogy. Let’s make this interview a trilogy series.
David:
This episode this is episode four, and we’re gonna go back to episode one and talk about other things.
Gavin:
Same time, same place. Uh thank you. Thank you so much so much for demeaning yourself to be on our stupid podcast, Jason. Uh, anytime, guys, anytime.
David:
Thank you. So, my something great this week is um daycare friends who become real friends. So, as we know, like you become like pretend friends for the 45 minutes you and your kid’s friend plays in the playground or whatever. And most of the people are terrible. Most people are terrible, period. Um, and two different daycare friends who we’ve kind of hung out with have started to become like actual friends. And Brian and I, my husband and I joke all the time. We’re like, we would hang out with them even if our kids weren’t friends, like like they’re like really cool. Anyway, we got to a place now with one of these people where um they they were in a really tough spot with work and everything, and they needed somebody basically to pick up their their kids at our daycare and drive them to their house where their babysitter would then meet them. So, like they trusted us enough to give us their car, pick up their, you know, one-year-old and four-year-old, or one-year-old and five-year-old, and put them in their car and drive them across the highway, yeah, drop them off at their house. It was, it was just like a nice little moment of like, no, these are like our real friends now. They trusted us with their kids’ lives. So that’s pretty much pretty great this week. Yeah.
Gavin:
That’s pretty great. So I was recently going down a uh social media rabbit hole, and uh because I’ve actually been spending more time on that of late, and I came across one of those cheap t-shirt companies that was just trying to sell me cheap t-shirts, but boy did they rope me in. Now I didn’t buy any of them, but they uh had so many references to the eight the 90s, probably the eighties, that I thought, oh, they know their audience for sure. And one of the t-shirts was surely not everyone was kung fu fighting.
David:
That’s cute. Yeah, that’s 80s.
Gavin:
Yeah. I I love those clever things. And um, another one was I came on Eileen.
David:
Have you seen those pumpkins online where people are making the pumpkins and they they get hot glue and they put like basically like cum all over the pumpkin’s face, and it has on the bottom, it has a little label that says, Hi, my name is Eileen. Yeah. Maybe our our Facebook feeds are a little different. But yeah, I know I’ve seen that quite a bit. And that’s our show. Sorry.
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